English Teamwork 2 planning and discussion

[Sascha Claus]

Hello,
late night (or maybe early morning), our Teamwork has given birth to a new version 37. It contains new ICE routes ICE3 and ICE4 from Clydeshire Aiport to Oban via Clydesgow. ICE4 ist supposed to continue to Jirkov as soon as a suitably fast line is built, whereas ICE3 is aiming for the Capital of Whales.

(“Capital of Whales” somehow sounds like a quintessential Scottish village name: Gatehouse of Fleet, Mains of Penninghame, Capital of Whales, Boat of Garten, … )

Other guests on the high-speed line are the hourly open-access routes TGV1 and TGV2 from Clydeshire Airport to 2nd Jcn and TGV-Ouigo1 and TGV-Ouigo1 from Clydesgow Seagate to 2nd Jcn. TGV1 and TGV2 run coupled from Clydeshire Airport to Clydesgow Seagate; from Clydesgow Seagate to 2nd Jcn, TGV1 runs coupled with Ouigo1 and TGV2 runs coupled with Ouigo2. This done to give the trainspotters at Clydesgow Seagate some shunting manoevres to look at.

Later, the Ouigos will be extended ‘backwards’ to somewhere north of Clydesgow, and the TGV+Ouigo-couples will be extended from 2nd Jcn to somewhere else. Is anybody interested in an hourly or maybe two-hourly TGV? Or a Thalys (also known as Eurostar nowadays)? Can also be similar to the TGV Vendeé.

In addition to the trains, there are a few text files in the folder: an updated routes.txt; a new Logfile which seems to contain a complete list of all switches of Montspoor Railways and some missed departures on one of the regional lines. Then a list of my towns (population.txt) with their approx. population, so that you can better imagine how big they are. The text files are intended for all of us to fill.

PS: Has somebody seen Italian high-speed trains (Frecciarossa and/or Italo) for BAHN or a proper name for the place known as 2nd Jcn?

[1993matias]

Hello everyone. This time brings many minor - but still important - changes from my part.

It seems like someone forgot to close their water tap, thus the river flowing through Coates has become a bit wet now. Fortunately, some ferries have taken advantage of that.
Coates now has a functioning tram system! T1, T3, T4, T5, and T9 will bring you around the city in no time! New tram depots (Cowper Road and Vesper Road) are used for overnight stabling. Preparations are underway for more tram routes soon, including drawing the road mesh of the city roads. Maybe we will even see some buses soon?
All the "Trailing point turnout" error messages (from my part) have been fixed. Finally. Sorry for the delay.
Another minor change (but a lot of work) is that the S-lines now have five rather than four numbers in their train number (i.e. S20 2017 -> 20017 or S30 3112 -> 30112). This frees up numbers for use on R and RE lines later on.

[...]Our Teamwork has given birth to a new version 37. It contains new ICE routes [...]

Would there be space for an airport express a few times a day to Coates at some point? Non-stop would be awesome, but even with a few stops. Else extending IC12 to Clydeshire Airport would also be a good option.

In addition to the trains, there are a few text files in the folder: an updated routes.txt [...] Then a list of my towns (population.txt) with their approx. population, so that you can better imagine how big they are. The text files are intended for all of us to fill.

Thanks, I will make sure to fill out some details about Montspoor there. I have also uploaded an IC route map like this one here:

[Sascha Claus]

Mahlzeit,

It seems like someone forgot to close their water tap, thus the river flowing through Coates has become a bit wet now. Fortunately, some ferries have taken advantage of that.

aaah, ferries connecting with buses and trams like the famous Berlin F24.

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All the "Trailing point turnout" error messages (from my part) have been fixed. Finally. Sorry for the delay.

Would there be space for an airport express a few times a day to Coates at some point? Non-stop would be awesome, but even with a few stops. Else extending IC12 to Clydeshire Airport would also be a good option.

IC1/IC11/IC12 are planned to go south to Hamilton via Kilmarnock … but the airport wouldn’t be that big of a detour.

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I’ll make it so!

But some additional rush-hour trains aimed at daytripping business and leisure travellers might be needed. My handy travel-times.txt says 2h from Coates to Clydesgow , so the trains would leave between 6:00 and 8:00 and arrive between 8:00 and 10:00. Now we just have to roll a dice to determine how many and at what times. 

Then there is the planned, hourly ICE19 Clydeshire Airport – Clydesgow – Oban, which is supposed to continue northward from Oban to Cairndow. It consists of an ICE1-LDV, an ICE-TD and a British class 220. The ICE-TD could split off at Cairndow and wind its way to Coates to give the smaller towns along the way a direct link to the airport. (The 220 will go to the ferry ports.)

[1993matias]

Moin,

Would there be space for an airport express a few times a day to Coates at some point? Non-stop would be awesome, but even with a few stops. Else extending IC12 to Clydeshire Airport would also be a good option.

IC1/IC11/IC12 are planned to go south to Hamilton via Kilmarnock … but the airport wouldn’t be that big of a detour.
South-via-Airport.png
I’ll make it so!

Great! I will make sure to extend IC12 half-hourly to Coates (as opposed to hourly now).

But some additional rush-hour trains aimed at daytripping business and leisure travellers might be needed. My handy travel-times.txt says 2h from Coates to Clydesgow , so the trains would leave between 6:00 and 8:00 and arrive between 8:00 and 10:00. Now we just have to roll a dice to determine how many and at what times. 

A 5:55 departure from Coates Continental is definitely possible, a 7:55 departure originating in Selden is also possible. Maybe also one or two departures in the afternoon?
If the IC12 can be overtaken northbound in Farris (at the border), then the ICE can pass either :27 or :57. Destination either Coates Continental or West.
Alternatively, it can arrive at the border :40 or :41 to depart right before an S30. Destination Coates West.

Then there is the planned, hourly ICE19 Clydeshire Airport – Clydesgow – Oban, which is supposed to continue northward from Oban to Cairndow. It consists of an ICE1-LDV, an ICE-TD and a British class 220. The ICE-TD could split off at Cairndow and wind its way to Coates to give the smaller towns along the way a direct link to the airport. (The 220 will go to the ferry ports.)

So Cairndow - Redbanks - Selden - Coates? Or directly Redbanks - Coates? Although it might make more sense to send it from Cairndow to Pembroke 1-2 times a day since Cairndow already has a dirrect link to Coates (IC5) and Clydesgow also has a direct - and faster - link with IC12.

[Sascha Claus]

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Great! I will make sure to extend IC12 half-hourly to Coates (as opposed to hourly now).

Now we still have to agree when the half-hourly interval will start in the morning and when it will end in the evening. I’ll assume that it gets hourly some time in the evening and even sparser at a later time. The nightly departures might be seat coaches attached to a night train.

A 5:55 departure from Coates Continental is definitely possible, a 7:55 departure originating in Selden is also possible. Maybe also one or two departures in the afternoon?
If the IC12 can be overtaken northbound in Farris (at the border), then the ICE can pass either :27 or :57. Destination either Coates Continental or West.

I was thinking of a train with the same stopping pattern as IC12, running between the existing departures. Like a ‘takt densification’ from 30min to 15min.

So Cairndow - Redbanks - Selden - Coates? Or directly Redbanks - Coates? Although it might make more sense to send it from Cairndow to Pembroke 1-2 times a day since Cairndow already has a dirrect link to Coates (IC5) and Clydesgow also has a direct - and faster - link with IC12.

Yes, faster links Clydesgow – Coates exist, so this would be either another route for mainly intermediate destinations or somewhere else; like the once or twice daily ICEs to Binz, Norddeich Mole, Berchtesgaden or Oberstdorf. I’ll report back this evening!

[Sascha Claus]

Live from the mobile studio, how about three trains (six hours apart) each to Pembroke, Selden and Coates? So each line has a direct link (morning, noon and evening) and train every two hours is cared for. The other trains could be reserved for "Nomansland".

[1993matias]

Good morning

Now we still have to agree when the half-hourly [IC12] interval will start in the morning and when it will end in the evening. I’ll assume that it gets hourly some time in the evening and even sparser at a later time. The nightly departures might be seat coaches attached to a night train.

Currently IC12 is hourly 6:35 - 22:35 from Coates Continental (Cc), and planned 5:56 - 21:56 from Coates West (Cw). I suggest 6-19:35 from Cc and 5-21:56 from Cw since Cw has more meaningful connections for people coming from the south. Later departures could appear in connection with night trains.

A 5:55 departure from Coates Continental is definitely possible, a 7:55 departure originating in Selden is also possible. Maybe also one or two departures in the afternoon?
If the IC12 can be overtaken northbound in Farris (at the border), then the ICE can pass either :27 or :57. Destination either Coates Continental or West.

I was thinking of a train with the same stopping pattern as IC12, running between the existing departures. Like a ‘takt densification’ from 30min to 15min.

Unfortunately capacity does not allow for 15-minute takt unless the fast train crawls slowly behind the S-train. Will it be parallel to IC12 all the way to the airport? About the stops, businessmen from Coates would prefer to travel undisturbed to their morning meetings. They would really love to travel non-stop to Clydesgow in their nice 1st class seats with freshly made breakfast served from the restaurant car.

Live from the mobile studio, how about three trains (six hours apart) each to Pembroke, Selden and Coates? So each line has a direct link (morning, noon and evening) and train every two hours is cared for. The other trains could be reserved for "Nomansland".

That sounds great, one ICE-TD daily to Pembroke, but for the other two... IC7 currently operates four times daily (when implemented) via the ferry Selden - Ferryden to Bordele. The ICE could operate in between or as one of the IC7 trains to Bordele via the ferry. This would give a faster connection to the towns along the northern coast than via a change in Coates - especially if passengers need to change stations. Also, ICE on a ferry, what's not to like?
If needed additional trains can terminate in Redbanks (if I can find free platform capacity)

IC7 is planned to leave Redbanks 7:15, 11:15, 15:15, and 19:15, arriving in Bordele 5:24 later
IC7 is planned to arrive in Redbanks 10:36, 14:36, 18:36, and 22:36, leaving Bordele 4:47 earlier
Detailed schedules can be found in the folder "Montspoor Schedules" in the "Long distance schedules" excel file.

[EN453]

Hello,

uploaded the V39 to the drive. It has now scheduled trams in Ironwood and german class 420 serving the ring around the Capital. Sorry for building not more. If anyone wants to build today, i´m not longer blocking.

Greets

[Sascha Claus]

Mahlzeit,

this morning, I noticed the version 38 as missing from the Google Drive. Did I accidentially remove it instead of copying it? I re-uploaded it, but that is now obsolete anyway.

Currently IC12 is hourly 6:35 - 22:35 from Coates Continental (Cc), and planned 5:56 - 21:56 from Coates West (Cw). I suggest 6-19:35 from Cc and 5-21:56 from Cw since Cw has more meaningful connections for people coming from the south. Later departures could appear in connection with night trains.

Now I just habe to calculate the changeover at Farris and the times for Torkam, Clydesgow and ClAp from this. And we have to agree on a common train composition. Currently 2×A, 4xB, WR, BD from you and 2×A, 3×B+1×DB, D from me (split between open saloon and compartments); this is almost the same.

Unfortunately capacity does not allow for 15-minute takt unless the fast train crawls slowly behind the S-train.

The train could skip stops north of Torkham until the northbound train has caught up with the IC 15min prior on arrival in Farris. Then you would have two trains with in sight distance for the remaining hop to Coates. Sb. the other way round. Or whatever you like.

Will it be parallel to IC12 all the way to the airport?

With a lack of parallel routes, let alone routes that are faster, what you gonna do?

About the stops, businessmen from Coates would prefer to travel undisturbed to their morning meetings.

I could make the 1st class coaches no pick-up and no set-down inbetween so that intermediate passengers have to make do with 2nd class only (or the regular trains).

That sounds great, one ICE-TD daily to Pembroke, but for the other two...

Three per branch! Three trains per day to Pembroke, three trains per day to Coates and three trains per day to Selden. Too much?

Clydesgow – 2nd Jcn is currently slightly more than one hour (I’m not yet sure if the ICE-T(D) is trundling along the high-speed line with 280 km/h or with 230 km/h.) It’s then another ~90km to Cairndow (as the crow flies). Clydesgow – Pembroke would be three to five hours (depending on the speed in the missing section), that should be enough for a morning, an evening and hopefully a midday train. And are there any ferry connections from Pembroke northward?

IC7 currently operates four times daily via the ferry Selden - Ferryden to Bordele. The ICE could operate in between or as one of the IC7 trains to Bordele via the ferry.

I see, three trains would consume the whole route, a little bit too much. But an ICE-TD onto a ferry is a must. Might be end up with a train via Cairndow every 3 h, alternating between Pembroke and Bordele, with 3 trains to P. and 2 to B. Would that be OK?

Detailed schedules can be found in the folder "Montspoor Schedules" in the "Long distance schedules" excel file.

It seems to be missing IC7 and the Cairndow – Redbanks section, which is slightly affecting its usefulness.

uploaded the V39 to the drive. […] Sorry for building not more.

Don’t worry! Mühsam ernährt sich das Einchörnchen.

I’m going to send two Thalys trains per hour to onto the high-speed line. Are you interested in in one of them going to your capital? You can also call it Eurostar if you like.

[EN453]

I’m going to send two Thalys trains per hour to onto the high-speed line. Are you interested in in one of them going to your capital? You can also call it Eurostar if you like.

There is already a Thalys/Eurostar running on the HSL. You´re welcome to add more.

[1993matias]

Good morning,

[...]we have to agree on a common train composition. Currently 2×A, 4xB, WR, BD from you and 2×A, 3×B+1×DB, D from me (split between open saloon and compartments); this is almost the same.

Which change do you suggest? We both have a restaurant car, don't forget I would like to prefer to keep the BD since it has a built-in wheelchair lift.
Alternatively, half the consists could be with your vehicles, and half the consists could be with my vehicles.

But some additional rush-hour trains [from Coates] aimed at daytripping business and leisure travellers might be needed.

A completely different suggestion: what if the additional trains went directly Torkham - Willey (southernmost station in Montspoor) and then to Bordele? Bordele to Willey takes almost two hours.
Otherwise your last suggestion is good

Three per branch! Three trains per day to Pembroke, three trains per day to Coates and three trains per day to Selden. Too much?

Clydesgow – 2nd Jcn is currently slightly more than one hour (I’m not yet sure if the ICE-T(D) is trundling along the high-speed line with 280 km/h or with 230 km/h.) It’s then another ~90km to Cairndow (as the crow flies). Clydesgow – Pembroke would be three to five hours (depending on the speed in the missing section), that should be enough for a morning, an evening and hopefully a midday train. And are there any ferry connections from Pembroke northward?

Three per day to Pembroke might be hard to squeeze into the schedule - and they may not even have enough passengers. It's a sparsely populated area. One or maaaaybe two would be enough. But on the way to Pembroke is Rhennir, it could receive the last evening train turning around to the first morning train, totalling 2-3 ICE on that line. For example Cairndow 7:00, Redbanks 7:34-7:45 (reversing), Rhennir 8:30, Pembroke 9:40 (times are not final at all. Just an example). This line in addition to IC6 which runs Redbanks - Rhennir every two hours, and continues to Pembroke every four hours. Rhennir - Pembroke is not electrified. I'm sure there are some long distance ferries that will appear after the last long distance trains have been planned.

For the ICE extension eastwards, maybe there could be one over the mountains along the IC4 route? Either replacing an IC4 or in addition to them. IC4 is 2h07m in doing the trip. The line is fully electrified.

So basically: 1x Rhennir-Pembroke, 1x Rhennir, 1-2x Bordele via ferry, and 1x Coates via mountains
Trains every three hours is also fine, let me know the departure times in Cairndow (or passing through Strone), then I'll shoehorn them in somewhere somehow.

Detailed schedules can be found in the folder "Montspoor Schedules" in the "Long distance schedules" excel file.

It seems to be missing IC7 and the Cairndow – Redbanks section, which is slightly affecting its usefulness.

Oops, fixed. Check out the IC tab for the long distance overview. The RE1 line is not final, although IC1 timings are. R67 contains the (Cairndow -) Strone - Redbanks section

[Sascha Claus]

Hi,

I would like to prefer to keep the BD since it has a built-in wheelchair lift.
Alternatively, half the consists could be with your vehicles, and half the consists could be with my vehicles.

I would like to keep the DB since it doesn’t need a wheelchair lift for it’s low floor. But I’m going to repaint a BD into my colours, so that there is more 2nd class and less baggage area. If we have alternating consists and alternating endpoints (Cw and Cc), then one station sees only my trains and the other station sees only your trains.

A completely different suggestion: what if the additional trains went directly Torkham - Willey (southernmost station in Montspoor) and then to Bordele? Bordele to Willey takes almost two hours.

Wasn’t the nameless half from my IR1 supposed to go there?

Three per day to Pembroke might be hard to squeeze into the schedule - and they may not even have enough passengers. It's a sparsely populated area. One or maaaaybe two would be enough.

Rügen (65k) and Eastern Frisia (500k) as well, but they fill their trains with tourists, and an ICE-TD has only four cars.

But on the way to Pembroke is Rhennir, it could receive the last evening train turning around to the first morning train, totalling 2-3 ICE on that line. For example Cairndow 7:00, Redbanks 7:34-7:45 (reversing), Rhennir 8:30, Pembroke 9:40.

2,5 trains sounds like a plan! But a 7:00 arrival in Cairndow would be a 5:00 departure in Clydesgow, that’s somewhat early for a tourist train on such a distance. My Clydesgowians’d prefer a 7:00/13:00 dep’t in Clydesgow, 9:00/15:00 Cairndow, 10:30/16:30 Rhennir, 11:40/17:40 Pembroke. That needs only two ICE-TDs, and the middle one … 10:00 dep’t in Clydesgow, 12:00 Cairndow, 13:30 Rhennir and back in the afternoon. Needs 3 trains + one standing decoratively at my airport. Remember to paint an ICE-TD in Montspoor colours!

This line in addition to IC6 which runs Redbanks - Rhennir every two hours, and continues to Pembroke every four hours. Rhennir - Pembroke is not electrified.

I feel the urge to steal the Rhennir trains and lead them into Warstones. And run trains connecting with the Pembroke trains.

For the ICE extension eastwards, maybe there could be one over the mountains along the IC4 route? Either replacing an IC4 or in addition to them. IC4 is 2h07m in doing the trip. The line is fully electrified.

Good idea! But I won’t have an electric ICE-TD available to cross the diesel gap after north of Cairndow, so it would be either diesel or with an electric supply locomotive added.

So basically: 1x Rhennir-Pembroke, 1x Rhennir, 1-2x Bordele via ferry, and 1x Coates via mountains
Trains every three hours is also fine, let me know the departure times in Cairndow (or passing through Strone), then I'll shoehorn them in somewhere somehow.

Every three hours means that the first and last trains are seriously early/late for most vacationers. Maybe go down to a train every two hours:

05:00/07:00/09:00/11:00/13:00/15:00 Clydesgow
07:00/09:00/11:00/13.00/15:00/17:00 Cairndow
10:30/ 18:30 Rhennir
11:40/ 19:40 Pembroke
09:40/17:40 Selden -> Bordele
12:40 Coates via mountains
14:30 Rhennir

Or maybe in ASCII art:

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05:00 / 07:00 / 09:00 / 11:00 / 13:00 / 15:00 Clydesgow
07:00 / 09:00 / 11:00 / 13.00 / 15:00 / 17:00 Cairndow
        10:30 /                         18:30 Rhennir
        11:40 /                         19:40 Pembroke
09:40 /       /       /       / 17:40 Selden -> Bordele
      /       / 12:40 Coates via mountains
      /       /       / 14:30 Rhennir

Southbound, the later Pembroke train would leave ~13:00 and the later Bordele train would leave Bordele ~15:00. Only problem now is that the Rhennir train has to spend the night there, unless you can do something useful with it during the afternoon and before noon.

[1993matias]

Quick question, are the times from your end final? Because there is no guarantee that they will fit neatly at the moment. I will have to have a meeting with the Montspoor Railways schedule department first, probably tomorrow afternoon. They are busy playing Nimby Rails right now instead of working

[Sascha Claus]

Mealtime,

Quick question, are the times from your end final?

no, just rough estimations. After the TGVs leave Clydesgow-Seagate, first ICE2 will follow and trundle along the high-speed line with a leisurely 280km/h, then ICE11/12/…19 will follow. Maybe they will be overtaken by faster trains while underway. Preferably, they would arrive at Cairndow shortly before all other trains and leave shortly after them, i. e. following the IC to Redbanks as close as possible. But that’s to much detail for now.

BTW, did we already talk about mail trains and fast parcels?

[1993matias]

Hello and good evening,

About the nameless half from you IR1: There is space for a train leaving Willey to cross the river every hour at :28 towards you. Arriving from you would be best at :05. Every hour until Flornes, continuing to Bordele a few times per day.

Montspoor Rilways Schedule Department are very "busy" eating cake and napping, so no timetable suggestions for the ICE yet.

Mail trains are very welcome - as soon as Montspoor Mail Management (MMM) has built mail facilities.