Wanted: "Pre-Signal" graphics and info

[Sander Fondse]

Can the dutch version also be included?

Like the oval German signal, but then green above and red below (opposite to the German signal)

[Andi]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">2. In a BAHN layout, you may build no, one or more distant signals for one stop signal. In result, it is possible to set some distant signals in a series (similar to German "Vorsignal-Wiederholer" signals), giving each another speed (eg. 80km/h, 60km/h, 40, 20). </tr></td></table>

Perhaps, there could be a track symbol with the letter "S" meaning "signal" with the same function and options like a distant signal.

[Christopher Spies]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Perhaps, there could be a track symbol with the letter "S" meaning "signal" with the same function and options like a distant signal.</tr></td></table>

That would be very nice indeed! The signal-dependent slow-down-sign ("signalabhaengige Langsamfahrstelle", I did not know how to translate it in another way) becomes reality!

- Christopher

[Ton Laduc]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Will it also be possible to let a signal be red, yellow and red (so advance and home signal in one)? Because in the Netherlands home signals can be advance signals too. </tr></td></table>

The dutch signals are a combination of a advance and a home signal. You could put them after each other. First the home and then the advance signal.

You get the combinations:
home=green; advance=green -> max.speed
home=green; advance=yellow -> lower speed of advanced signal
home=red; advance=doesn't matter -> stop

In this way you could simulate the dutch signalsystem. Because two signals after each other isn't nice I would ask Jan Bochmann to implement invisible advance signals with the choice of seeing the color of the signal or nothing.

The problem is then solved: Jan doesn't have to change the 2-state signalling system; the dutch system is possible.

It would be nices of course with the introduction of the of a 3-state signal. Then you could really see the red, yellow, and green light in the same signal.

[Bastiaan]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">home=red; advance=doesn't matter -> stop</tr></td></table>
If the home signal is red the advance signal ALWAYS has to be yellow.

So: home=red; advance=yellow -> stop

Bastiaan

[Ton Laduc]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">You get the combinations:
home=green; advance=green -> max.speed
home=green; advance=yellow -> lower speed of advanced signal
home=red; advance=doesn't matter -> stop
</tr></td></table>

Bastiaan, what you said is right, only the advance signal I ment is a part of the next signal installation. The color of this advance signal depends on the color of the next home signal and could be green or yellow.

[Sander Fondse]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Zitat:
home=red; advance=doesn't matter -> stop

If the home signal is red the advance signal ALWAYS has to be yellow.

So: home=red; advance=yellow -> stop </tr></td></table>

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Bastiaan, what you said is right, only the advance signal I ment is a part of the next signal installation. The color of this advance signal depends on the color of the next home signal and could be green or yellow. </tr></td></table>

Ich think that both of you ar richt. In Holland we don't have separate pre-signals on main lines. Only when the distance between home-signals is realy big (several kilometres or miles) there is a pre-signal.

First - Second - Third

When the second signal is red, the first will be yellow. The second signal will only display red.

In Germany, there are always separate pre-signals, standing before or hanging unter the home-signal. These signal NEVER SHOW GREEN OR RED WHEN THE HOME-SIGNAL IS RED!!!

[Jan Eisold]

Yeah, that´s right, so the advance signal would have to check the home signal in front of it. But as you know, BAHN actually isn´t able to handle two "signal-systems" in one single graphic-element. If this would be possible, we´d allready have 3-state signals. [img]icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

MfG Jan

[DW]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">home=red; advance=doesn't matter -> stop</tr></td></table>
If the home signal is red the advance signal ALWAYS has to be yellow.

So: home=red; advance=yellow -> stop

Bastiaan</tr></td></table>The UK Railway Rule Book actually said something to the effect that "home=red; distant=green" is an illegal situation and the driver must stop and telephone the signalbox for further instructions.

[Jens]

Das Hl-Vorsignal könnte doch so aussehen:

[micha88]

so sieht das HL-Vorsignal in der aktuellen Version BAHN 3.84beta0 (bevor es wieder Fragen gibt: Es wird noch einige Tage dauern, bis die Beta auch im Internet veröffentlicht wird) aus:


Dateianhang:

[Jens]

Das ist schön, Alles klar.